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	<title>Comments on: Design by community, creating the Auckland Council logo</title>
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		<title>By: Mel @ logo pens</title>
		<link>http://www.designassembly.org.nz/design-by-community-creating-the-auckland-council-logo/comment-page-1#comment-336</link>
		<dc:creator>Mel @ logo pens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 02:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the logo, I think it is vibrant and dynamic which is what a modern council should be.</description>
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		<title>By: Ricasso</title>
		<link>http://www.designassembly.org.nz/design-by-community-creating-the-auckland-council-logo/comment-page-1#comment-334</link>
		<dc:creator>Ricasso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 06:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A small correction to my last post meant to hint at design assembly for open comp not design by community(der)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A small correction to my last post meant to hint at design assembly for open comp not design by community(der)</p>
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		<title>By: Ricasso</title>
		<link>http://www.designassembly.org.nz/design-by-community-creating-the-auckland-council-logo/comment-page-1#comment-333</link>
		<dc:creator>Ricasso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 05:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great question from the dutchess ,have a look at bibi&#039;s design at logosauce there may others there I haven&#039;t explored that site very deeply as yet I too would love to see other designs anything with an A or a sail went in the bin(I would have at least have liked my clearfile folder back.Old Bob and his park rangers were very secretive about their judging,not very community spirited eh? Another open competition run by the designer community eg design by community(hint)The winners design could be used by the soon to be formed Auckland DEMOCRATIC Party</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great question from the dutchess ,have a look at bibi&#8217;s design at logosauce there may others there I haven&#8217;t explored that site very deeply as yet I too would love to see other designs anything with an A or a sail went in the bin(I would have at least have liked my clearfile folder back.Old Bob and his park rangers were very secretive about their judging,not very community spirited eh? Another open competition run by the designer community eg design by community(hint)The winners design could be used by the soon to be formed Auckland DEMOCRATIC Party</p>
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		<title>By: the.dutchess</title>
		<link>http://www.designassembly.org.nz/design-by-community-creating-the-auckland-council-logo/comment-page-1#comment-332</link>
		<dc:creator>the.dutchess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 21:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there a place on the www where people who joined the Auckland City Council logo competition can post their entry? I submitted an entry and am now curious about the other entries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there a place on the www where people who joined the Auckland City Council logo competition can post their entry? I submitted an entry and am now curious about the other entries.</p>
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		<title>By: Ricasso</title>
		<link>http://www.designassembly.org.nz/design-by-community-creating-the-auckland-council-logo/comment-page-1#comment-331</link>
		<dc:creator>Ricasso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Apr 2010 07:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I take back all my negative comments (above)re plds I am horrified with the logo chosen by Bob and the Power Rangers please forgive me you young fresh designers are sincerely precious</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I take back all my negative comments (above)re plds I am horrified with the logo chosen by Bob and the Power Rangers please forgive me you young fresh designers are sincerely precious</p>
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		<title>By: Ricasso</title>
		<link>http://www.designassembly.org.nz/design-by-community-creating-the-auckland-council-logo/comment-page-1#comment-326</link>
		<dc:creator>Ricasso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 11:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>after reading the comments from the profesional designers I cannot help thinking what a bunch of precious little darlings they all sound like I love Auckland and am glad the plds are too high and mighty to submit entries or scared they would loose to a child.The professionally designed (current)Auckland council logo is a joke had the designer/s not heard or seen triangle tv and come on you plds the Telecom logo as a school boy in art class that the line gestured as in the Telecom logo could indicate kaos or bubby let loose with felt pens dearest designer daddy doesn&#039;t use I suggest to all plds of this world to see light(very importaant to artists)pull your heads out of your arses</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>after reading the comments from the profesional designers I cannot help thinking what a bunch of precious little darlings they all sound like I love Auckland and am glad the plds are too high and mighty to submit entries or scared they would loose to a child.The professionally designed (current)Auckland council logo is a joke had the designer/s not heard or seen triangle tv and come on you plds the Telecom logo as a school boy in art class that the line gestured as in the Telecom logo could indicate kaos or bubby let loose with felt pens dearest designer daddy doesn&#8217;t use I suggest to all plds of this world to see light(very importaant to artists)pull your heads out of your arses</p>
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		<title>By: Ellatron</title>
		<link>http://www.designassembly.org.nz/design-by-community-creating-the-auckland-council-logo/comment-page-1#comment-325</link>
		<dc:creator>Ellatron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 05:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>High 5, Andrew!</description>
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		<title>By: Andrew Symons</title>
		<link>http://www.designassembly.org.nz/design-by-community-creating-the-auckland-council-logo/comment-page-1#comment-324</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Symons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 23:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karen Walker and Bill Ralston Judges?,... WTF!!!
and who the hell is Ema Tavola I suspect she is the token pacific Islander
and Wayne Pihema is the token Maori, How very PC and pointless, I am a graphic designer and wouldn&#039;t touch a project like this I can guarantee the winning design to be some childlike drawing that karen thinks will look pretty on a frock that wayne thinks has a touch of maori inspiration and that Ema will just be badgered into agreeing with the others,
Any serious designer should steer well clear of crap like this</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karen Walker and Bill Ralston Judges?,&#8230; WTF!!!<br />
and who the hell is Ema Tavola I suspect she is the token pacific Islander<br />
and Wayne Pihema is the token Maori, How very PC and pointless, I am a graphic designer and wouldn&#8217;t touch a project like this I can guarantee the winning design to be some childlike drawing that karen thinks will look pretty on a frock that wayne thinks has a touch of maori inspiration and that Ema will just be badgered into agreeing with the others,<br />
Any serious designer should steer well clear of crap like this</p>
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		<title>By: Bradley Reeves</title>
		<link>http://www.designassembly.org.nz/design-by-community-creating-the-auckland-council-logo/comment-page-1#comment-323</link>
		<dc:creator>Bradley Reeves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 23:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are they smart, cheap, or just dumb?

First we had the new flag debate, now we’ve got the Auckland Supercity Logo. It’s all fun stuff, but the conspiracy theorists amongst us should be having a field day!

Here are my thoughts ...

http://www.ad3.co.nz/blog/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are they smart, cheap, or just dumb?</p>
<p>First we had the new flag debate, now we’ve got the Auckland Supercity Logo. It’s all fun stuff, but the conspiracy theorists amongst us should be having a field day!</p>
<p>Here are my thoughts &#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ad3.co.nz/blog/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ad3.co.nz/blog/</a></p>
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		<title>By: John V</title>
		<link>http://www.designassembly.org.nz/design-by-community-creating-the-auckland-council-logo/comment-page-1#comment-322</link>
		<dc:creator>John V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 02:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It’s good to see that most people posting here have seen the competition as one to design a new Council logo (and not a brand for the city as DINZ and some other commentators seem to believe it is).

I agree the logo design job would be best done by a specialist, but in my experience it’s not uncommon for “design competitions” to be run for logo development projects (companies sometimes invite staff to participate in similar kinds of competitions, and then use that input to help brief a professional design company who may or may not build on those concepts). It’s hardly life-threatening surely.

In my view we’re running the risk making a big deal about something that would have been far better dealt with by DINZ face to face with the Auckland Transition Agency.

My personal feeling is that DINZ is beginning to look rather petulant and our design industry somewhat insecure and lacking in self belief and confidence.

Is it such a bad thing to ask stakeholders with or without formal design training to have a go? Do you really think this will undermine the value of high quality professional design work? Are designers the final arbiters of everything creative? I don’t think so.

The biggest threat to the profession is the poor quality of work produced by an increasing number of so called professional designers. It lowers peoples perception of the value and quality of good design, and limits the ability of the profession to make a strategic contribution to the national economy as a consequence.

That’s an issue I’d rather the industry (and design schools) talked about much more so than a logo competition that will no doubt be enjoyed by many schools and students, and even the odd design company, for a couple of weeks in an entire lifetime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s good to see that most people posting here have seen the competition as one to design a new Council logo (and not a brand for the city as DINZ and some other commentators seem to believe it is).</p>
<p>I agree the logo design job would be best done by a specialist, but in my experience it’s not uncommon for “design competitions” to be run for logo development projects (companies sometimes invite staff to participate in similar kinds of competitions, and then use that input to help brief a professional design company who may or may not build on those concepts). It’s hardly life-threatening surely.</p>
<p>In my view we’re running the risk making a big deal about something that would have been far better dealt with by DINZ face to face with the Auckland Transition Agency.</p>
<p>My personal feeling is that DINZ is beginning to look rather petulant and our design industry somewhat insecure and lacking in self belief and confidence.</p>
<p>Is it such a bad thing to ask stakeholders with or without formal design training to have a go? Do you really think this will undermine the value of high quality professional design work? Are designers the final arbiters of everything creative? I don’t think so.</p>
<p>The biggest threat to the profession is the poor quality of work produced by an increasing number of so called professional designers. It lowers peoples perception of the value and quality of good design, and limits the ability of the profession to make a strategic contribution to the national economy as a consequence.</p>
<p>That’s an issue I’d rather the industry (and design schools) talked about much more so than a logo competition that will no doubt be enjoyed by many schools and students, and even the odd design company, for a couple of weeks in an entire lifetime.</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy</title>
		<link>http://www.designassembly.org.nz/design-by-community-creating-the-auckland-council-logo/comment-page-1#comment-321</link>
		<dc:creator>Nancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 23:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know what I think, I think the competition is a way to see what everyone wants on the logo. so when they choose a winner, the winner&#039;s design will relate to many of the other designs submitted does that make sense. In a way it could be a clever way of seeing what is desired from everyone in the community. I&#039;m pretty sure that if a kid wins the competition, their logo will be enhanced by a designer. The competition is probably mostly for ideas and visions. But I agree, a branding expert should AT LEAST be on the judging panel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what I think, I think the competition is a way to see what everyone wants on the logo. so when they choose a winner, the winner&#8217;s design will relate to many of the other designs submitted does that make sense. In a way it could be a clever way of seeing what is desired from everyone in the community. I&#8217;m pretty sure that if a kid wins the competition, their logo will be enhanced by a designer. The competition is probably mostly for ideas and visions. But I agree, a branding expert should AT LEAST be on the judging panel.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun</title>
		<link>http://www.designassembly.org.nz/design-by-community-creating-the-auckland-council-logo/comment-page-1#comment-320</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 21:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice one James. Also &lt;a href=&quot;http://tvnz.co.nz/breakfast-news/breakfast-monday-february-22-3376343/video?vid=3376442&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; is the link to the Brian Richards commentary.
And I love this. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=318403724729&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Giraffe for Auckland&#039;s Super City Logo!!!&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice one James. Also <a href="http://tvnz.co.nz/breakfast-news/breakfast-monday-february-22-3376343/video?vid=3376442" rel="nofollow">here</a> is the link to the Brian Richards commentary.<br />
And I love this. <a href="http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=318403724729" rel="nofollow">Giraffe for Auckland&#8217;s Super City Logo!!!</a></p>
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		<title>By: James McGoram</title>
		<link>http://www.designassembly.org.nz/design-by-community-creating-the-auckland-council-logo/comment-page-1#comment-319</link>
		<dc:creator>James McGoram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 21:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scrabbling to justify your existence? Worried that your profession isn&#039;t taken seriously? Looking for a way to express your frustration to the Auckland City Burghers? Try the free logo maker; plug in the brief and create hundreds of top-notch competition entries in minutes. No creativity required.

http://thefreelogomakers.com/free-services/free-logo-maker/

have fun!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scrabbling to justify your existence? Worried that your profession isn&#8217;t taken seriously? Looking for a way to express your frustration to the Auckland City Burghers? Try the free logo maker; plug in the brief and create hundreds of top-notch competition entries in minutes. No creativity required.</p>
<p><a href="http://thefreelogomakers.com/free-services/free-logo-maker/" rel="nofollow">http://thefreelogomakers.com/free-services/free-logo-maker/</a></p>
<p>have fun!</p>
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		<title>By: Louise Kellerman</title>
		<link>http://www.designassembly.org.nz/design-by-community-creating-the-auckland-council-logo/comment-page-1#comment-318</link>
		<dc:creator>Louise Kellerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 20:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>follow the twitter conversation here

http://search.twitter.com/search?q=@hamish_keith</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>follow the twitter conversation here</p>
<p><a href="http://search.twitter.com/search?q=@hamish_keith" rel="nofollow">http://search.twitter.com/search?q=@hamish_keith</a></p>
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		<title>By: Adrian</title>
		<link>http://www.designassembly.org.nz/design-by-community-creating-the-auckland-council-logo/comment-page-1#comment-317</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 20:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the one had - yes it&#039;s almost kind of lazy that they take this approach.

But on the other hand - wouldn&#039;t it otherwise be millions of our tax payer dollars forked out to an agency that might come up with something that could easily be just as bad.

They do really need designers on that panel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the one had &#8211; yes it&#8217;s almost kind of lazy that they take this approach.</p>
<p>But on the other hand &#8211; wouldn&#8217;t it otherwise be millions of our tax payer dollars forked out to an agency that might come up with something that could easily be just as bad.</p>
<p>They do really need designers on that panel.</p>
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		<title>By: Louise Kellerman</title>
		<link>http://www.designassembly.org.nz/design-by-community-creating-the-auckland-council-logo/comment-page-1#comment-316</link>
		<dc:creator>Louise Kellerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 20:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was great to see Brain Richards on TVONE Breakfast this morning, representing professional designers through DINZ.

He talked about the logo being the &#039;door&#039; to the brand and the bigger picture of firstly creating a brand story.

He also pointed out that there is a lack of brief in this competition, we have been given no idea as to the strategy that should underpin the logo and what the essence of the Auckland Super City is or needs to be.

I do ike the idea of involving the community in the process, but I think it should be as a method of finding out what the essence of Auckland is.

Asking the community to design the logo undermines the years of education and experience that a professional graphic designer is working with when they come up with a &#039;logo&#039;. The moment of inspiration doesn&#039;t come out of nowhere but from this total sum of the designers working and personal life experience spent looking through the eye of a designer at everything around them.

On another note, in a economic climate such as today, there are many qualified graphic designers out there that would have greatly benefited from such a contract and $10,000 worth of prizes just won&#039;t cut it.

And why can&#039;t we look to the  Auckland Brand to represent the new Auckland Council? http://www.brandauckland.com/index.html

Some great interpretations of the brand have been created by illustatrors and artists such as Glennz and Penny Stotter.
http://www.brandauckland.com/the-brand-artists.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was great to see Brain Richards on TVONE Breakfast this morning, representing professional designers through DINZ.</p>
<p>He talked about the logo being the &#8216;door&#8217; to the brand and the bigger picture of firstly creating a brand story.</p>
<p>He also pointed out that there is a lack of brief in this competition, we have been given no idea as to the strategy that should underpin the logo and what the essence of the Auckland Super City is or needs to be.</p>
<p>I do ike the idea of involving the community in the process, but I think it should be as a method of finding out what the essence of Auckland is.</p>
<p>Asking the community to design the logo undermines the years of education and experience that a professional graphic designer is working with when they come up with a &#8216;logo&#8217;. The moment of inspiration doesn&#8217;t come out of nowhere but from this total sum of the designers working and personal life experience spent looking through the eye of a designer at everything around them.</p>
<p>On another note, in a economic climate such as today, there are many qualified graphic designers out there that would have greatly benefited from such a contract and $10,000 worth of prizes just won&#8217;t cut it.</p>
<p>And why can&#8217;t we look to the  Auckland Brand to represent the new Auckland Council? <a href="http://www.brandauckland.com/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.brandauckland.com/index.html</a></p>
<p>Some great interpretations of the brand have been created by illustatrors and artists such as Glennz and Penny Stotter.<br />
<a href="http://www.brandauckland.com/the-brand-artists.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.brandauckland.com/the-brand-artists.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://www.designassembly.org.nz/design-by-community-creating-the-auckland-council-logo/comment-page-1#comment-315</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 09:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that DINZ has to go into bat on this one, but there is also the risk that designers come out of this looking self-interested and reactive. What is crucial is that this situation is turned into an education campaign on why a logo is not just a pretty picture. The only reason that this can happen is that the public at large don&#039;t really understand what a complex process good branding is. So lets see how Brian Richards handles this, and strategise from there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that DINZ has to go into bat on this one, but there is also the risk that designers come out of this looking self-interested and reactive. What is crucial is that this situation is turned into an education campaign on why a logo is not just a pretty picture. The only reason that this can happen is that the public at large don&#8217;t really understand what a complex process good branding is. So lets see how Brian Richards handles this, and strategise from there.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun</title>
		<link>http://www.designassembly.org.nz/design-by-community-creating-the-auckland-council-logo/comment-page-1#comment-314</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 07:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe when the designers of the Telecom logo said it can be &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;‘whatever you want it to be’&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; they over-empowered the public eye?

I am stoked DINZ is showing such great leadership, looking forward to hearing Brian Richards on TVONE Breakfast tomorrow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe when the designers of the Telecom logo said it can be <b><i>‘whatever you want it to be’</i></b> they over-empowered the public eye?</p>
<p>I am stoked DINZ is showing such great leadership, looking forward to hearing Brian Richards on TVONE Breakfast tomorrow.</p>
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		<title>By: Cornelius</title>
		<link>http://www.designassembly.org.nz/design-by-community-creating-the-auckland-council-logo/comment-page-1#comment-313</link>
		<dc:creator>Cornelius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 05:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I fail to see how this involves or promotes a community. If that is the goal get people thinking about how they can design and improve their direct local environment. But that goes against the whole super-city idea I guess.

And besides - whats wrong with the current (brand new) City Council logo anyway?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fail to see how this involves or promotes a community. If that is the goal get people thinking about how they can design and improve their direct local environment. But that goes against the whole super-city idea I guess.</p>
<p>And besides &#8211; whats wrong with the current (brand new) City Council logo anyway?</p>
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		<title>By: Jade Tang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jade Tang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 05:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought exactly the same thing Barbara *sigh* What are they thinking? Don’t they know most of us draw with Wacom pens rather than a selection of felt tip pens ;)

Seriously though… I’m trying really hard to understand why they may of taken this approach. And seeing as Auckland City’s latest re-brand cost anywhere from ($25,000 - $1,000,000) this does appear to be a more ‘cost effective and open’ way of doing things as well as trying to counter-act or prevent anymore controversial Auckland City Council’s brand similarities.

[ReQuote - DINZ Statement] “Auckland is home to many world class brand strategy and graphic design firms, many of whom consistently win awards. . . . Let’s not even mention what such a competition can potentially do to the credibility of design and our international reputation as a design led innovative nation.”

I completely agree, but maybe (dare I say it) Telecom’s re-brand has something to do with why they approach this they way they are. The initial feedback on Telecom’s branding exercise from the Design community and general public wasn’t the most positive either and that *was* done by one of New Zealand’s leading Design agencies.

At the end of the day, I don’t think you can please everyone, but I don’t think this is the right approach either. The *best* Designers/brand strategist are not going have the time, energy or patience to take this one seriously, are they?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought exactly the same thing Barbara *sigh* What are they thinking? Don’t they know most of us draw with Wacom pens rather than a selection of felt tip pens ;)</p>
<p>Seriously though… I’m trying really hard to understand why they may of taken this approach. And seeing as Auckland City’s latest re-brand cost anywhere from ($25,000 &#8211; $1,000,000) this does appear to be a more ‘cost effective and open’ way of doing things as well as trying to counter-act or prevent anymore controversial Auckland City Council’s brand similarities.</p>
<p>[ReQuote - DINZ Statement] “Auckland is home to many world class brand strategy and graphic design firms, many of whom consistently win awards. . . . Let’s not even mention what such a competition can potentially do to the credibility of design and our international reputation as a design led innovative nation.”</p>
<p>I completely agree, but maybe (dare I say it) Telecom’s re-brand has something to do with why they approach this they way they are. The initial feedback on Telecom’s branding exercise from the Design community and general public wasn’t the most positive either and that *was* done by one of New Zealand’s leading Design agencies.</p>
<p>At the end of the day, I don’t think you can please everyone, but I don’t think this is the right approach either. The *best* Designers/brand strategist are not going have the time, energy or patience to take this one seriously, are they?</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara</title>
		<link>http://www.designassembly.org.nz/design-by-community-creating-the-auckland-council-logo/comment-page-1#comment-311</link>
		<dc:creator>Barbara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 00:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really thought this looked like a competition for school children the way it was set up and advertised in the NZ Herald! You wouldn&#039;t ask for someone to be a teacher and not be qualified - so why ask for a design from all and sundry ?
It is just typical of a council approach on the cheap - but lets spend lots of money on the Rugby World cup!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really thought this looked like a competition for school children the way it was set up and advertised in the NZ Herald! You wouldn&#8217;t ask for someone to be a teacher and not be qualified &#8211; so why ask for a design from all and sundry ?<br />
It is just typical of a council approach on the cheap &#8211; but lets spend lots of money on the Rugby World cup!!</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun</title>
		<link>http://www.designassembly.org.nz/design-by-community-creating-the-auckland-council-logo/comment-page-1#comment-310</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 08:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is such a a catastrophic fail, I can not help but think that we (Graphic Designers) are partly responsible.

Also enjoyed the humorous debate on &lt;a href=&quot;http://publicaddress.net/system/topic,2339,island-life-anyone-can-do-design.sm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Public Address.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is such a a catastrophic fail, I can not help but think that we (Graphic Designers) are partly responsible.</p>
<p>Also enjoyed the humorous debate on <a href="http://publicaddress.net/system/topic,2339,island-life-anyone-can-do-design.sm" rel="nofollow">Public Address.</a></p>
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		<title>By: elliot</title>
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		<dc:creator>elliot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 07:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>complete joke really, but at the same time not surprising, auckland council has never been a &quot;wow&quot; organistaiton. more of a &quot;wtf&quot; one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>complete joke really, but at the same time not surprising, auckland council has never been a &#8220;wow&#8221; organistaiton. more of a &#8220;wtf&#8221; one.</p>
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